Profile Picture

Trouble Getting 56 Fairlane to Idle

Posted By 56FairlaneAZ 14 Years Ago
You don't have permission to rate!
Author
Message
56FairlaneAZ
W00t Posted 13 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Hitting on all eight cylinders

Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 11 Years Ago
Posts: 8, Visits: 63
Got the new distributor in with a new cap, wires, plugs and electronic ignition, then I set the timing and adjusted the carb. No more run on and rough idle. WOW! This is the best this Ford has run in the 4+ years I've had it! Thanks to everyone for the technical help. txtPost_CommentEmoticon('w00t'); I may be calling again when I have other questions. Thanks again!
GREENBIRD56
Posted 14 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: Last Year
Posts: 1.7K, Visits: 102.7K
What Mark is refering to is the fact that your new distributor - doesn't necessarily have the drive gear teeth indexed to the oil pump hex drive exactly like the old one. Bumping or rocking the engine a bit will turn the camshaft - without turning the oil pump shaft - which often lets the gear and distributor fall down into place. Don't go too far - or the distributor rotor wil be out of phase with the engine. 

Personally - I like to "arrange" the number one cylinder plug wire at a particular point on the cap - so I put the engine on No. 1 TDC before trying to remove the old distributor and fit the new distributor and place the rotor. Several long 1/4 extensions taped together and a small hex socket (also taped on) to fit the oil pump drive will let you reach down and rotate the shaft to an optimum point to drop everything in as desired. 

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/9ea2bf28-00c4-4772-9ac7-d154.jpg 
 Steve Metzger       Tucson, Arizona

oldcarmark
Posted 14 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: Last Month
Posts: 3.7K, Visits: 32.6K
I dont think its hung up on the flange.More likely the drive gear is not quite dropping into place.Bump the motor just a little and it should drop into place.

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Uploads/Images/a82cee8f-be33-4d66-b65d-fcd8.jpg  http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/339ed844-0bc3-4c73-8368-5dd3.jpg
56FairlaneAZ
Crazy Posted 14 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Hitting on all eight cylinders

Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 11 Years Ago
Posts: 8, Visits: 63
Finely getting around to putting in my new distributor. Had to put brakes on the car first. Something about wanting it to stop after I get it running. Pulled the stock distributor out but couldn't get the new one in because it keeps getting hung up on the lower flange. I did notice on the old distributor that both the lower flanges that go in the block are polished (never seen this before). Do I need to have these flanges polished? Any idea how to get it in? Did I get the wrong distributor?
oldcarmark
Posted 14 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: Last Month
Posts: 3.7K, Visits: 32.6K
Just be careful when removing the little spring clip inside the advance assembly.They go a long way if it takes off removing it and hard to find.Dont ask how I know.

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Uploads/Images/a82cee8f-be33-4d66-b65d-fcd8.jpg  http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/339ed844-0bc3-4c73-8368-5dd3.jpg
GREENBIRD56
Posted 14 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)Supercharged (2.3K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: Last Year
Posts: 1.7K, Visits: 102.7K
Depending on the rebuilder - many of the later versions use the small block Ford distributor body (with a y-block compatable shaft). It has a "three lobed" shank running down from the distributor body to the clamping base. 

This is a "Motorcraft" distributor and the advance mechanism down inside will look like this....

The older design "Autolite" base has concentric rings around the shank like this one and the advance mechanism will differ. It will have kidney shaped flyweights with bronze bushings at the pivots.

The upper rotor shaft - that carries the point cam for the Motorcraft set-up will have a choice of two internal advance stops. They will be stamped as shown in the photo above - this one has "10L" and "15L" markings. Others can be found as well and parts can be swapped around - I usually hunt for and use the "13L" versions and they are often paired with an "18L" stamping. The tab sticking up from the base (at right in the 15L slot) sets your choice of the advance "range" (usually found with a small piece of black plastic tubing forced over it). By removing the advance springs and a clip down in the well at the top - you can spin these upper rotor shafts 180° and choose the other range of travel. So this one shown has a choice of 10°  - or 15° of distributor advance - which will be 20° or 30° at the crank timing marks.

Total advance for one of these engines (that is pretty much stock) should be limited to something like 36° / 38° (with no vacuum advance). The initial advance you set at idle and distributor centrifugal advance is summed as the engine accelerates, so the rotor shaft shown could be used with 16°/18° initial and the "10L" slot - or 6°/8° with the "15L". If you want to use a different initial setting and have this pretty much figured out - you can "customize" a "10L" slot to be what you need with a rat-tail file. Just remember its easier to make them longer than shorter.... A slight increase in one of the settings can be had by simply removing the little piece of black tubing off the travel pin.

The common Y street engines like a lot of initial spark advance - 10° is a good start - but the choice of initial turns out to be a decision based on use of "live" manifold vacuum advance or "ported" vacuum advance from a specific port on the carburetor. There are proponents of both and they both can work well. My outfit runs 10° initial and live manifold vacuum - I believe that makes it start a bit quicker - and several I know use 14° initial with ported. We all end up at nearly the same 36°/38° total mechanical advance. The ported vacuum comes from a hole just above the throttle plate of the carb - so when you open the throttle, it "turns on" vacuum to the distributor and it becomes virtually the same as live manifold vacuum below the throttle plates. So it is basically using the throttle as an on-off switch for vacuum advance at idle. Keep in mind that using low amounts of initial advance - and ported vacuum - can result in the engine running relatively retarded and heat up at long periods of idle.  

Springs for the centrifugal advance unit - get a set of Mr. Gasket 925D springs so you can play with the speed at which the full advance is in the engine. It will depend on engine compression - and what sort of go juice you get at the pump locally - to determine how fast you want the curve to operate. Generally 3000 rpm is a conservative, safe "all in" value - but the lower you can make it all come in without knocking, the more "bottom end" you will build into your power curve. Where you start is a judgement call - but getting it perfecto on the first try is hard to do. There is a real advantage to knowing someone with an old style SUN distributor machine that can dial this in on a bench. Fact is, that many have learned to "curve" their distributors right at home in the driveway - so it is a time honored automotive tradition.

The vacuum pots come in two varieties - an older version seen below.....

and another newer set-up that may or may not have an internal adjustment screw.

The older version can be disassembled to adjust both the full travel - and the spring rate. There is a bakelite tube inside controlling the travel - and the spring and shims are self explanatory. We have made longer pieces of tubing out of carbon fiber arrow shafting - but it doesn't have to be exotic. The vacuum advvance is a street tuning thing - it adds advance at low engine load to gain fuel economy. High engine vacuum indicates light load - vacuum adds advance - low engine vacuum says the throttle is way open and reduces advance to the mechanical (no-knock) settings. 

This will get you started - ask more questions! Smile

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/9ea2bf28-00c4-4772-9ac7-d154.jpg 
 Steve Metzger       Tucson, Arizona

56FairlaneAZ
Posted 14 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Hitting on all eight cylinders

Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 11 Years Ago
Posts: 8, Visits: 63
Called in sick this year for too many car shows....



Got my distributor yesterday from a 1960 Ford Fairlane 292 y-block. Looks just like the pictures you guys posted. Went to the local Autozone here in Chandler. Gave “the kid” behind the counter the part number and was informed it's not available and he made no attempt to contact the warehouse. Also got “not available” from the Autozone webpage. I’m not a big fan of Autozone, would rather go to the local Napa where the counter men have some gray hair and know old cars. Found the distributor on-line through the Cardone webpage and got the same price as Autozone from RockAuto (but had to pay shipping). I bought the distributor, cap and rotor. An ex-y-blocker recommended I go with the Ignitor Electronic Ignition (smoother then the points set-up) from So-Cal Speed Shop. The 4+ year old coil was putting out less than 1.5 ohms so I added the Flame Thrower II coil. I also wanted to get rid of the ugly ballast resistor.



So guys my next question before I put this stuff together is: Do I have to do anything to set this distributor up? Change springs? Adjustments? Would rather work on it outside the car as much as possible, it’s a pain in the…after it’s installed. Thanks
oldcarmark
Posted 14 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)Supercharged (6.1K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: Last Month
Posts: 3.7K, Visits: 32.6K
Prioritize! Call in sick for a couple of days!

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Uploads/Images/a82cee8f-be33-4d66-b65d-fcd8.jpg  http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/339ed844-0bc3-4c73-8368-5dd3.jpg
56FairlaneAZ
Smile Posted 14 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Hitting on all eight cylinders

Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)Hitting on all eight cylinders (8 reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 11 Years Ago
Posts: 8, Visits: 63
Not Fixed yet. this little thing called work got in my way! http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Skins/Classic/Images/MessageIcons/Crazy.gif But will get to it soon. but did some research and Autozone is by far the cheapest. Thanks for the help!
charliemccraney
Posted 14 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)

Group: Moderators
Last Active: Yesterday
Posts: 6.1K, Visits: 442.6K
Did you fix the idling problem yet?


Lawrenceville, GA


Reading This Topic


Site Meter