Greetings to all:In researching various cams here are some things I discovered regarding the E-210-S cam which is supplied/distributed by Elgin Industries. It's also the cam sold by several antique vehicle parts suppliers such as NPD in Canton Mich.. And yes, the specs do indeed seem to be the same or very close to the "de-tuned" cam. That being said, those specs for the E-210-S cam are very different from the cam doctor specs I received from Thunderchicked's EDB cam. I think if you Google Elgin Industries you should be able to navigate your way to the "210" cam which is NOT the EDB cam. Elgin does supply specs @ .050 so one can make a good comparison here. Also, Elgin Industries is not the same as "Elgin Cams" owned by Dimitri Egin. Thanks, JEFF...........................

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Marv: Trying again.. site froze up again!! To keep it short; Replacement cam cores are CWS. Ones marked SYB-2 are Mellings, marked 229-1210 are Clevite. Mummert says 246 degree (nominal) cams usually have "210" in part #. So the Thunderchicken cam is likely "not" a EDB/ D code 1957 cam.. Mummert quote, These replacements "fall far short of the 1957 D code cam"..

Paul

The foundry stamping on the Thunder chicken cam I have is CWC and stamped E210S on the end. The info I was given they were ground in Oregon.
To me it seems to have a smaller base circle than an original EDB cam.

I bought one a year ago then changed my mind and and installed a Mummert Y265-S cam. I really like the profile of the Y265-S.

I checked again this AM and the foundry marking is CWC not CWG as I read yesterday.

Here is a link to the CWC site.

http://www.camcraft-cams.com/

marv

The country of origin is always at the top of MY list. If it's a Chinese part, I'll let you know. Yblock32duce says he had a positive experience with a cam from Thunderchicken Auto - cool.

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bought a cam a couple of years ago from thunderchicken. when i received it, had no cam card with it,so called them and talked to cid(?).after discussing, installed it,and have been pleased with it.

Ford Dearborn: If you buy the supposed EDB cam from Thunderchicken, best check it out as much as possible "before" installation. Changing a Y-blk cam is no 5 minute job.. Oh, and ask where it originates from or is ground at.. if it's from China, hang up the phone!

Paul

Engine displacement has always affected cam perforance. The more cubic inches, the milder the cam will be. The less cubic inches, the more radical the cam will be. 406 Ford cam in a 390 for example would idle rougher and wind up quicker and not be as driveable as the same cam in the 406.

Maybe 25 years ago, Crower was selling a line of cams for whole line of scrubs ( and maybe others), that they broke down by common displacements. The hot cam for the 283 was the mild one for the 400. They apparently did a fair amount of research, but it did allow them to sell the same part number under varying descriptions for different CID. Don't rememember now what I had, but the performance was right on with the description for the motor I had in.

miker
55 bird, 32 cabrio F code
Kent, WA
Tucson, AZ

Jeff, I’m sure that you are NOT the only person interested in an original '57 ‘D’ cam or some semblance thereof. IF you're really going to use the engine on the street and highway, how the engine performs in that rpm range is of utmost importance.



The set-up I’m presently working on will use a T-5 trans. with a .73 5th gear and 3.56 rear gears. Using formulas found here in the Forum, with P205/75R-14 tires, at 70 miles per hour, I’m looking at 3,207 rpm in 4th gear, and 2,341 rpm in 5th gear.



While I like the sound of a lopey cam, I’m more interested in drivability and sleeper-type performance in the rpm range a street (stop-and-go) and road (highway legal speeds) driven vehicle will be operated in. Many factors go into accomplishing drivability, but the camshaft is central to induction, compression, and exhaust decisions. I want:

- a reasonable (mannerly) idle speed

- smooth off-idle acceleration

- good low rpm engine throttle response

- responsive performance at highway speeds



One variable that I have not acknowledged is engine displacement. From my own experience, I’ve seen the same cam perform entirely differently in two different size y-block engines. One was a stock bore 272 and the other a 312 bored to 322. The 322 was much more ‘mannerly’ than the 272.



Another consideration today is compression ratio. More aggressive cams seem to be more street-able IF they operate with a higher compression ratio. Higher compression requires higher octane gas. The cost of gasoline for someone planning to seriously drive their vehicle should likely be considered in the engine ‘build’ if they want to enjoy the ride.



As always, everything is a compromise. I wish cam selection was less of a ‘black art’ for me as a hobbyist!



If Verne Schumann does produce a new y-block, I recommend that provision for a variable valve timing system be included!


NoShortcuts
a.k.a. Charlie Brown
near Syracuse, New York

Thanks Ted for the EDB specs. @ .050. This definitely confirms the aftermarket EDB cam from Thunderchicken Auto is the real thing. My interest in this cam is to keep my 292 rebuild on the tame/efficient side of the spectrum. My 64 F100 equipped with 3 speed overdrive and 3.5 rear gear cruises at about 2200rpm at 70mph. Shouldn't do too bad in the fuel burn department. Now to find the best way to raise the CR with the C1TE heads? Thanks, JEFF....................

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