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marvh (3/8/2012)
Maybe give these guys a call.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/

This the truck enthusiasts site so they should know the answer to your question.

If no success shoot us some pictures of the tee and the hose ends as well the tie ins at the block and weI will try to help figure it.

In one picture I have of a 6 cyl it shows one of the hoses tying into the lower rad hose.

As to an air cooled bell housing Henry was very frugal so to save money he probably used the bell for both std and auto trucks.

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I am actually on that site and they too seem stumped on how the hoses are hooked up. The only tee is on the bellhousing and that splits the water going from the cooler/warmer to both sides of the block of the motor.

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Maybe give these guys a call.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/

This the truck enthusiasts site so they should know the answer to your question.

If no success shoot us some pictures of the tee and the hose ends as well the tie ins at the block and weI will try to help figure it.

In one picture I have of a 6 cyl it shows one of the hoses tying into the lower rad hose.

As to an air cooled bell housing Henry was very frugal so to save money he probably used the bell for both std and auto trucks.

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bergmanj (3/8/2012)
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It doesn't surprise me at all that you may have a "air-cooled" bell-housing with a non-finned torque converter: Ford had a great tendency to "use-up" parts left over from previous years.



The 312 I got years ago from a '57 Mercury station wagon had an original damper on it with the internal shaft tabs for a hand-crank (from the old flatheads)!



The 1963 1/2 Ford Galaxie 500 XL that my dad had made use of the leftover Edsel radiators (they had many 100,000's left over - part of the reason for the lower hood designs from '60 - on) rotated 90 degrees and called a "cross-flow".



The '55 T'bird used many of the '54 Ford dash parts, knobs, etc.



These are just some examples. I'm very sure that there are many more "hidden" in their builds.



Regards, JLB




I noticed ford did do the "use up" method. Saved a bunch of money I guess.



Can anyone here possibly find pictures from a manual or have a truck with the same warmer/cooler set up. I need to get this motor and trans back in the truck. I just need it hooked up correctly.

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56,

It doesn't surprise me at all that you may have a "air-cooled" bell-housing with a non-finned torque converter: Ford had a great tendency to "use-up" parts left over from previous years.

The 312 I got years ago from a '57 Mercury station wagon had an original damper on it with the internal shaft tabs for a hand-crank (from the old flatheads)!

The 1963 1/2 Ford Galaxie 500 XL that my dad had made use of the leftover Edsel radiators (they had many 100,000's left over - part of the reason for the lower hood designs from '60 - on) rotated 90 degrees and called a "cross-flow".

The '55 T'bird used many of the '54 Ford dash parts, knobs, etc.

These are just some examples.  I'm very sure that there are many more "hidden" in their builds.

Regards,   JLB

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If my trans is infact a liquid cooled and air cooled why does the bellhousing have an opening on driverside that catches air? My torque converter isnt finned so isnt that another indicator that its not air cooled?



I am just trying to understand all of this and get this "heat exchanger" or what ever its called hooked up properly and with all the right fittings. If anyone here has this setup in thier truck please.....post pictures or let me know exactly how it goes together. Remember...my radiator doesnt have anywhere to hook up lines and thats stock.

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The non-finned convertor is correct for your transmission.

The cooler that is in the picture is correct for that transmission.

The B9A transmission shows in my Master Parts Catalog as being from a 1960 F100, as to be original to the truck I have no way of knowing as Ford did not stamp the serial numbers on the transmissions until much later years and then mostly on the performance engined vehicles



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So what you are saying is that transmission is in fact the correct one for my truck. So this tranny is definately not an air cooled trans then? Even though it has the same bellhousing as an air cooled trans? Also my radiator doesnt have a cooler.from factory so the line has to go to the water pump. How does all of this hook up? Any body have a shop manual?




Your transmission PBW-F from the data plate is a 3 speed single range Fordomatic with 4200 engine RPM wide open throttle up-shift governor for a 1960 Ford F100 with a 8 cyl 292 engine. Fordomatics used this external cooler. By my parts book info Fordomatics do not show available after 1960 year model. As to correct for your truck, it is quite likely. As I said before Ford did not stamp the VIN numbers on the transmissions until much later years and then mostly on the performance engined vehicles. Cruiseomatics (dual range transmissions) which were also available in 1960 (PBW-H) had the lines hooked to the lower radiator tank .



This external cooler is a heat exchanger that does the job of the heat exchanger in the lower rad tank or is supposed to. The heat exchangers in the lower rad tank are much better. If you look at one of the pictures you see the word Harrison, Harrison was used by GM on some of their vehicles. I have seen these external transmission heat exchangers also on some of the early Lincolns.





I don't have a shop manual to know how to hook the hoses and my parts book does not show the endings of the heater hoses.

marv





I greatly appreciate all the info on the trans. Thank you.



My truck came stock with a radiator with no cooler on it or places for lines. I need to figure ou how this heater echange hooks up

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marvh (3/7/2012)
The non-finned convertor is correct for your transmission.

The cooler that is in the picture is correct for that transmission.

The B9A transmission shows in my Master Parts Catalog as being from a 1960 F100, as to be original to the truck I have no way of knowing as Ford did not stamp the serial numbers on the transmissions until much later years and then mostly on the performance engined vehicles



marv




So what you are saying is that transmission is in fact the correct one for my truck. So this tranny is definately not an air cooled trans then? Even though it has the same bellhousing as an air cooled trans? Also my radiator doesnt have a cooler.from factory so the line has to go to the water pump. How does all of this hook up? Any body have a shop manual?




Your transmission PBW-F from the data plate is a 3 speed single range Fordomatic with 4200 engine RPM wide open throttle up-shift governor for a 1960 Ford F100 with a 8 cyl 292 engine. Fordomatics used this external cooler. By my parts book info Fordomatics do not show available after 1960 year model. As to correct for your truck, it is quite likely. As I said before Ford did not stamp the VIN numbers on the transmissions until much later years and then mostly on the performance engined vehicles. Cruiseomatics (dual range transmissions) which were also available in 1960 (PBW-H) had the lines hooked to the lower radiator tank .



This external cooler is a heat exchanger that does the job of the heat exchanger in the lower rad tank or is supposed to. The heat exchangers in the lower rad tank are much better. If you look at one of the pictures you see the word Harrison, Harrison was used by GM on some of their vehicles. I have seen these external transmission heat exchangers also on some of the early Lincolns.





I don't have a shop manual to know how to hook the hoses and my parts book does not show the endings of the heater hoses.

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Y block Billy (3/7/2012)
Remember, coolers are not just coolers, transmissions were made to run at a certain temperature 180 + or -. thats why lines going to the radiator help to preheat the trans also, it is not a good idea to cool the fluid too much with aux coolers. so if you hook it up in series with your heater you should be fine. Water cooled/heated must be scarce, its a first for me.




would you by chance know how to hook all of this up?

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marvh (3/7/2012)
The non-finned convertor is correct for your transmission.

The cooler that is in the picture is correct for that transmission.

The B9A transmission shows in my Master Parts Catalog as being from a 1960 F100, as to be original to the truck I have no way of knowing as Ford did not stamp the serial numbers on the transmissions until much later years and then mostly on the performance engined vehicles



marv




So what you are saying is that transmission is in fact the correct one for my truck. So this tranny is definately not an air cooled trans then? Even though it has the same bellhousing as an air cooled trans? Also my radiator doesnt have a cooler.from factory so the line has to go to the water pump. How does all of this hook up? Any body have a shop manual?

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Remember, coolers are not just coolers, transmissions were made to run at a certain temperature 180 + or -. thats why lines going to the radiator help to preheat the trans also, it is not a good idea to cool the fluid too much with aux coolers. so if you hook it up in series with your heater you should be fine. Water cooled/heated must be scarce, its a first for me.

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