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My bird still has the stocker style dual action fuel pump - vacuum on the top end / fuel below. It delivers fuel OK  - with no back pressure - but acts like it "gets behind" the engine and starves it when you hit it hard. The pump fittings have tiny little inlet and outlet holes in them - and I put a serious pressurized fuel filter on there in consideration of the crud in the ancient tank. I believe the more modern carbs have a bit more inlet pressure required than the old t-pot too. Does anyone have good performance data about one of these originals? 

This week I splurged and replaced the Holley 600cfm outfit I had on there with  a new 525cfm Road Demon Jr. To try and get a handle on the fuel supply thing, I borrowed Al Frakes dyno sheet and had a look at the BSFC (brake specific fuel consumption) numbers. It shows the kind of "pounds per horsepower hour" fuel demand present when you are making 300+ horses. The peak was .544 (#/hp hr) which is about 30 gallons per hour at the carb (at whatever pressure it demands - no big deal on the dyno, that one is a good sized electric that won't starve an engine under test). This number was produced at a rate of acceleration of 300 rpm/sec - not exactly drag race stuff. 

I found this page out of the Holley catalog that shows "real" loaded performance data for their 80 and 110 gph pumps and gives some idea of what they do when the load is 4.5 psi. The 80 gph model looks like it could deal with the 300 hp situation - stays over 30 gph - but thats without a fuel filter or any loss due to sucking through a little 15 foot tube.

 http://www.holley.com/BrowseCatalogs.asp?Catalog=Holley&Page=196

I am sorely tempted to try one of these FE pumps on my bird - but will it fit in the space by the frame rail? Has someone tried this particular brand of pump on a t-bird? I believe it will need a new (larger, cleaner) feed tube from the tank to work right. I promise not to cry over the loss of the "original vacuum wiper" system.

Al was thinking he would try to retain his original pump and then feed it with an electric "supercharger" pump. Is there someone using that arrangement with success?

 

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 Steve Metzger       Tucson, Arizona


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Forum Post Stock Fuel Pump By GREENBIRD56 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post :)I remember reading that those old fuel pumps outlet pressure was 5... By timmy4 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Steve, I'm using a fuel pump from carquest # 362 and it does great.... By speedpro56 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Steve,

I wonder if your add-on fuel filter is too...
By DANIEL TINDER ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post My regular perusals of E-bay over the years has shown me there were 2... By Duck ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post I'm going to change out the fuel filter element this weekend - I think... By GREENBIRD56 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Steve, I'm using the original steel line from the tank to the fuel... By speedpro56 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post I think 5/16 od is capable of providing enough fuel for the majority... By charliemccraney ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Thanks for all the feedback guys - looks like the 80 gph pump is... By GREENBIRD56 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post I've ordered an Airtex #362 fuel pump (for a 428 FE motor) so... By GREENBIRD56 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Hey Steve; Had same problem, only single, no vac ports,. Shimmed up... By Eddie Paskey ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post As I recall the stock bird pump has the bottom part of the pump... By bird55 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post According to the Holley information on their 80GPH pump (that looks... By GREENBIRD56 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Yep! gas line from the tank too the fuel pump on the bird is 5/16. The... By speedpro56 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post The Airtex #362 pump arrived and I rounded up enough fittings and... By GREENBIRD56 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post FYI, Steve or anyone else that is interested, I just bought one of... By Canadian Hot Rodder ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post I've been using the Holley high performance pump for a 427 FE for... By MoonShadow ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Iv been followign this thread with great interest. Ive long had the... By rgrove ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post I think that any of the three you linked will work - the Carter is... By GREENBIRD56 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Thanks for the response! Im guessing Ill just go with the Airtex, as... By rgrove ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post I agree with the "not too crazy" approach - over the last 40+ years... By GREENBIRD56 ( 17 Years Ago )


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