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*@#@* electrical problems - what the heck? And how do i get the starter out?!?!?

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Ok guys, now Im really stumped.  Here goes...

Car is a 56 sunliner.  Restored about 10 years ago.

Yesterday drove the car to work, then to lunch, all was fine.  Got back in the car after lunch, and it started right up just fine.  I heard a faint whirring sound, but I figured it was the scrub vette I was parked next to, so I just drove away.  About 4 miles into the trip, still heard whirring, and started to smell a faint burning electric smell.  I chalked the smell up to the scrub suburban next to me at the light (yes, I typically live in denial - makes me happier).

Got back to work, and went to shut car off, and it would not stop.  By now the wirring was louder, and the smell was much stronger.  Opened the hood, and the starter was smoking.  Turns out the starter never shut off.  I quickly disconnected the neg batt cable, and it stopped.  I tried touching the cable to the battery and the starter tried to turn over (key out of car) so I unhooked it again.  Made sure no fire, and called AAA. 

Car was flatbedded home a few hours later, carefully unloaded, and when i reconnected the battery, the starter didnt try to turn over.  Tried the key, and it tries to crank, but the starter is obviously cooked, so it cant really do much.

Car has - new battery, new alternator (GM 1 wire, properly connected), new starter solenoid, and replaced the ignistion switch about 4 years ago.  So what the H*ll is the problem?  All wiring appears to be in good shape (all new harnesses 10 years ago with frame off)

At first, I thought maybe the neutral safety switch (its a F/M), but no part of that is energized with key off.  Where should I look next??

Also, Im trying to get the old starter out.  I remember putting it together with the body off and thinking "man, what a pain this would be with the body on...hope I never have to do that....."  rats.   So the first question I have on that is how do I access the top most bolt?  Is it from the engine compartment side, or from the transmission side (accessed through hole in floor after pulling up carpet?)  Any tricks to get to the top bolt?  Car is on jack stands, as i dont have access to a lift.  Tricks?  HELP!!!!!

As much as i love this forum, I really wish someone who knew what they were doing lived close!

Thanks in advance for any and all help!!

Ron Grove

Wauconda, IL


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Forum Post *@#@* electrical problems - what the heck? And how do i get the... By rgrove ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ron: The top starter bolt is oriented the same as the other two. I... By Hoosier Hurricane ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post Thanks for the response guys. I appreciate it. John, did you mean... By rgrove ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post Also John, would taking off the plug wire separator on the block help... By rgrove ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post The plug wire holder can be pried up out of the way with a long... By PWH42 ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]rgrove (5/21/2010)[/b][hr]Thanks for the response guys. I... By aussiebill ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ron! I cant help you with the removal but I think you have a problem... By oldcarmark ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post First off, the neutral safety switch wouldn't be the problem. I would... By MarkMontereyBay ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post The problem is almost certainly once again your solenoid, It is how... By rick55 ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post My guess is that the solenoid stuck and you revved it up with the... By crenwelge ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post Thaks guys. I got the starter out. Was actually pretty easy once i... By rgrove ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post After you've used John's braile method to get to the top bolt, the... By lowrider ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post Thanks! Starter actually came out pretty easily once I got the trans... By rgrove ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post Guys, another question. Would a bad starter cause the solenoid to... By rgrove ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post DC current as found in a car is much more prone to welding contacts... By John Mummert ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post Continually trying to crank an engine with a very low battery can also... By Hoosier Hurricane ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post Hey regrove;; Something that I do when putting the starter back--... By Eddie Paskey ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post thanks guys, to everyone who has chimed in! I really, really... By rgrove ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ron! Where does the alternator hook into the wiring on the car?The... By oldcarmark ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post Alternator hooks to the + battery post of the solenoid, same as the +... By rgrove ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post Hey Grove, As Kenneth said, lots of y blocks ran around with only two... By jonnireb ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post I buy NOS solenoids on eBay. Either FOMOCO or Borg Warner. They... By crenwelge ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post I know you don't want this to happen again but if it does, disconnect... By John Mummert ( 15 Years Ago )
Forum Post John, thanks for the thoughts! That is a fantastic idea; I really... By rgrove ( 15 Years Ago )


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