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speedpro56 (2/28/2011)
Tim are you running the steel lifters with todays cams with no problems or do they need special cams just for them?

Most of the cams I use are old core regrinds but I did use them on an E-4 here recently with no trouble.

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Ted (2/28/2011)
Tim.  Thanks for posting the pictures of the two lifter types.  I’ll add that it’s not unusual to see the Ford supplied iron lifters with FoMoCo cast into them.  Here’s a picture a factory iron lifter with the FoMoCo imprint.  Steel lifters will be blank in that regard.

 

Ted, i,ve mentioned it before, but i,ve allways used these lifters, refaced and never a problem. My mentor and well known ford engine builder, Bert Jones, RIP, allways used this type. Just my view. regards bill.

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Re the "FoMoCo" or "cursive Ford oval" trademarks, that was an engineering change dated 10-27-58 and 11-24-58 respectively for the cast iron tappet.  As Ted indicated, no trademark on the steel tappet.  

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Ted (2/28/2011)
Tim.  Thanks for posting the pictures of the two lifter types.  I’ll add that it’s not unusual to see the Ford supplied iron lifters with FoMoCo cast into them.  Here’s a picture a factory iron lifter with the FoMoCo imprint.  Steel lifters will be blank in that regard.

 

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To clarify, Ford tappets are not "chilled iron".  Isky specifies those compatible with steel or hardface overlay camshafts only.  Terminology such as Chilled Iron or Hardenable Iron are used by Isky and probably other aftermarket manufacturers.  Link to Isky glossary: http://www.iskycams.com/glossary.php

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mctim64 (2/27/2011)
Here's a couple of pix.  the "steel" ones have a thin looking base (left in top picture and second picture) while the cast "chilled iron" are thicker (right in top and third).  I myself prefer the "Steel" but the Iron ones seem to hold up just fine and are quite hard.

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Tim are you running the steel lifters with todays cams with no problems or do they need special cams just for them?

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Tim.  Thanks for posting the pictures of the two lifter types.  I’ll add that it’s not unusual to see the Ford supplied iron lifters with FoMoCo cast into them.  Here’s a picture a factory iron lifter with the FoMoCo imprint.  Steel lifters will be blank in that regard.

 

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yblockpinto312 (2/25/2011)
Tim: Ted: The more I read about this cam lifter thing, the more fear I have. I bought the cam and lifters off E bay, so i`m not sure what I`ve got. What worries me, is when I kicked that pushrod at Columbus. Was that the begining of lifter cam failure? Or did I just have brainfade when I set the valves? I`ve got 39 runs on the motor now, John Mummert thinks if it was going to fail, it would have by now. What do you guys think?
Greg.  I’m in agreement with John as if you’ve got a cam lobe and/or lifter problem in the making, it would be showing up by now.  Just keep an eye on the lash and good notes on any adjustments that you have to make so that you can see if there is a trend with a particular adjuster.

For everyone else, my experience has been if a lifter and/or lobe failure is going to happen due to defective parts on a fresh engine, it will start the minute the engine is fired up.  It may take 15-20 minutes of running to get enough wear on the ‘bad’ parts to know that you have a problem though.  By all means shut the engine off during the cam break-in period if something seems amiss rather than risk circulating an excess of metal throughout the engine.

Lorena, Texas (South of Waco)


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Here's a couple of pix.  the "steel" ones have a thin looking base (left in top picture and second picture) while the cast "chilled iron" are thicker (right in top and third).  I myself prefer the "Steel" but the Iron ones seem to hold up just fine and are quite hard.



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Tim: My core motor was an untouched 1957 292. Would the lifters from it be good ones to resurface? I understand there are "chilled iron", "hardenable iron", and "steel". How do we know what we`re dealing with? I hav`nt been around Y blocks for 40 years so I got some catching up to do in this area. Thanks.

Greg Dietrich Mt.Morris Il
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Thanks guys.  I have sent some e-mails waitin for some responses from the mentioned shops. 


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